Comments on: To Those Who May Be Shocked, Disappointed, and Hurt by the News of My Apostasy 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/ There Is No 'You' In Quivering ... Tue, 08 May 2012 02:47:02 +0000 hourly 1 By: fiona 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/comment-page-3/#comment-32775 fiona Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:41:08 +0000 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/#comment-32775 That is some statement. Can't imagine what you have gone through and I am really awed by your courage to break free. It can be easier to hang on to chains. Really, I feel quite humbled. What can I say, good for you sounds so inadequate. That is some statement. Can’t imagine what you have gone through and I am really awed by your courage to break free. It can be easier to hang on to chains. Really, I feel quite humbled. What can I say, good for you sounds so inadequate.

]]> By: Mama Duggar and # 20 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/comment-page-3/#comment-23879 Mama Duggar and # 20 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:48:45 +0000 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/#comment-23879 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: Angel 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/comment-page-3/#comment-23869 Angel Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:34:05 +0000 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/#comment-23869 Vyckie, All I can say is that you are so amazing and brave! It takes strength and courage to break out the brainwashing cult that is Christianity, especially such a conservative sect as Quiverfull. I hope you continue down your path towards enlightenment and freedom for you and your children. Sincerely, A Born Again Atheist Vyckie,
All I can say is that you are so amazing and brave! It takes strength and courage to break out the brainwashing cult that is Christianity, especially such a conservative sect as Quiverfull. I hope you continue down your path towards enlightenment and freedom for you and your children.

Sincerely,
A Born Again Atheist

]]> By: Are the Duggars Guilty of Child Abuse? | Running With A Book Cart 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/comment-page-3/#comment-21540 Are the Duggars Guilty of Child Abuse? | Running With A Book Cart Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:20:49 +0000 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/#comment-21540 [...] most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals [...] [...] most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals [...]

]]> By: How to Talk To A Fundamentalist (If You Must) | Fallen From Grace 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/comment-page-3/#comment-10437 How to Talk To A Fundamentalist (If You Must) | Fallen From Grace Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:27:32 +0000 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/#comment-10437 [...] a year and I was reeling from the total upset of everything I had believed about God, the universe and the purpose & meaning of life. Impossible as it [...] [...] a year and I was reeling from the total upset of everything I had believed about God, the universe and the purpose & meaning of life. Impossible as it [...]

]]> By: How to Talk to a Fundamentalist (If You Must) 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/comment-page-3/#comment-10408 How to Talk to a Fundamentalist (If You Must) Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:18:16 +0000 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/#comment-10408 [...] a year and I was reeling from the total upset of everything I had believed about God, the universe and the purpose & meaning of life. Impossible as it [...] [...] a year and I was reeling from the total upset of everything I had believed about God, the universe and the purpose & meaning of life. Impossible as it [...]

]]> By: Kaylara 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/comment-page-3/#comment-10219 Kaylara Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:15:19 +0000 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/#comment-10219 It's stories like yours that make me incredibly grateful to have found paganism and specifically Wicca as a teenager. (No offense intended.) Although, honestly, by then I'd already had my fill of men who claimed to be the head of the household or God in the house but abused the position and every one who lived there. Wicca only allows for people to stay in any position of power if they continue to exhibit appropriate behavior, especially in reference to their underlings in the coven, and family. But then again, we're not really expected to be horrendously visible with our religious behaviors to begin with, and have no actual book to point out to show us how to behave, which does make things a bit more flexible. :P Not that we're above reproach, but it's much less likely that another Wiccan or pagan will try to influence me to behave in a particular way (and definitely not using shame or the like) unless it is a reason that truly requires it. (Abuse, etc.) I'm very sorry to hear about your daughter, and I realize that I found this several years after the fact. I hope that things have improved for both you and your children. It’s stories like yours that make me incredibly grateful to have found paganism and specifically Wicca as a teenager. (No offense intended.) Although, honestly, by then I’d already had my fill of men who claimed to be the head of the household or God in the house but abused the position and every one who lived there. Wicca only allows for people to stay in any position of power if they continue to exhibit appropriate behavior, especially in reference to their underlings in the coven, and family. But then again, we’re not really expected to be horrendously visible with our religious behaviors to begin with, and have no actual book to point out to show us how to behave, which does make things a bit more flexible. :P Not that we’re above reproach, but it’s much less likely that another Wiccan or pagan will try to influence me to behave in a particular way (and definitely not using shame or the like) unless it is a reason that truly requires it. (Abuse, etc.)

I’m very sorry to hear about your daughter, and I realize that I found this several years after the fact. I hope that things have improved for both you and your children.

]]> By: Karen 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/comment-page-3/#comment-9902 Karen Thu, 09 Jun 2011 05:34:13 +0000 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/#comment-9902 Hi - your story moved me. However I'm saddened at the fact that in throwing out the bathwater you chucked out the baby too. Yes, the Bible was written in a time of patriarchy and naturally reflects this. And no, we should not use the cultural guidelines of an ancient middle eastern culture for our modern western culture. However, the Bible also undermines patriarchy, in my opinion. It's both. It's gray, not black and white. I know you've probably heard this spiel a dozen times already. I'm horrible at explaining my ideas about this stuff. However, one book that really helped me as a Christian Feminist is Finally Feminist by John Stackhouse. Check it out. Hi –
your story moved me. However I’m saddened at the fact that in throwing out the bathwater you chucked out the baby too.

Yes, the Bible was written in a time of patriarchy and naturally reflects this. And no, we should not use the cultural guidelines of an ancient middle eastern culture for our modern western culture. However, the Bible also undermines patriarchy, in my opinion. It’s both. It’s gray, not black and white.

I know you’ve probably heard this spiel a dozen times already. I’m horrible at explaining my ideas about this stuff. However, one book that really helped me as a Christian Feminist is Finally Feminist by John Stackhouse. Check it out.

]]> By: Gail 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/comment-page-3/#comment-9111 Gail Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:05:08 +0000 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/#comment-9111 Hi There Thanks for your article. I admire your honesty. I agree with a lot of what you say. I too have been a victim of the quiverful moveent. I only have one living child, and have had multiple miscarriages. I have been told frequently by QF people keep trying. I have had two nervous breakdowns as a result of keep trying for another child. I found my refuge in a good egalatarian Church. Hi There
Thanks for your article. I admire your honesty. I agree with a lot of what you say.
I too have been a victim of the quiverful moveent. I only have one living child, and have had multiple miscarriages.
I have been told frequently by QF people keep trying. I have had two nervous breakdowns as a result of keep trying for another child.

I found my refuge in a good egalatarian Church.

]]> By: A Powerful Personal Story This Week on God Discussion Radio – The Quiverfull Movement … and No Longer Quivering | God Discussion 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/comment-page-3/#comment-8945 A Powerful Personal Story This Week on God Discussion Radio – The Quiverfull Movement … and No Longer Quivering | God Discussion Tue, 22 Mar 2011 01:03:21 +0000 2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/#comment-8945 [...] movement and to create a gathering place for women escaping and recovering from spiritual abuse. In To Those Who May Be Shocked, Disappointed, and Hurt by the News of My Apostasy, Vyckie writes, in part: This is a difficult letter for me to write ~ mainly because I was so [...] [...] movement and to create a gathering place for women escaping and recovering from spiritual abuse. In To Those Who May Be Shocked, Disappointed, and Hurt by the News of My Apostasy, Vyckie writes, in part: This is a difficult letter for me to write ~ mainly because I was so [...]

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