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	<title>Comments on: QUIVERFULL: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement ~ A Review</title>
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		<title>By: Wives, Submit to Your Husbands &#171; A Full Quiver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wives, Submit to Your Husbands &#171; A Full Quiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 04:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vyckie</title>
		<link>http://nolongerquivering.com/2009/03/25/quiverfull-inside-the-christian-patriarchy-movement-a-review/comment-page-1/#comment-546</link>
		<dc:creator>Vyckie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discussion for this post has been moved over to our new NLQ forums: &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://nolongerquivering.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=quiverfullreview&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://nolongerquivering.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=quiverfullreview&lt;/a&gt;No further comments on this post will be accepted here ~ please go to the forums. Thank you ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion for this post has been moved over to our new NLQ forums: <a HREF="http://nolongerquivering.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=quiverfullreview" REL="nofollow">http://nolongerquivering.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=quiverfullreview</a>No further comments on this post will be accepted here ~ please go to the forums. Thank you <img src='http://nolongerquivering.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tapati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tapati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Vyckie, I&#039;m delighted to have found this blog! It definitely inspires me to keep writing my own story. (It got kind of depressing to write about there for awhile so I took a break.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Vyckie, I&#8217;m delighted to have found this blog! It definitely inspires me to keep writing my own story. (It got kind of depressing to write about there for awhile so I took a break.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tapati</title>
		<link>http://nolongerquivering.com/2009/03/25/quiverfull-inside-the-christian-patriarchy-movement-a-review/comment-page-1/#comment-549</link>
		<dc:creator>Tapati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Vyckie, I&#039;m delighted to have found this blog! It definitely inspires me to keep writing my own story. (It got kind of depressing to write about there for awhile so I took a break.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Vyckie, I&#8217;m delighted to have found this blog! It definitely inspires me to keep writing my own story. (It got kind of depressing to write about there for awhile so I took a break.)</p>
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		<title>By: Vyckie</title>
		<link>http://nolongerquivering.com/2009/03/25/quiverfull-inside-the-christian-patriarchy-movement-a-review/comment-page-1/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator>Vyckie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tapati ~ I just wanted to take minute to say, &quot;Welcome&quot; and to let you know that your perspective here as a former Hare Krishna woman is invaluable.  Thank you for your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tapati ~ I just wanted to take minute to say, &#8220;Welcome&#8221; and to let you know that your perspective here as a former Hare Krishna woman is invaluable.  Thank you for your input.</p>
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		<title>By: Vyckie</title>
		<link>http://nolongerquivering.com/2009/03/25/quiverfull-inside-the-christian-patriarchy-movement-a-review/comment-page-1/#comment-548</link>
		<dc:creator>Vyckie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tapati ~ I just wanted to take minute to say, &quot;Welcome&quot; and to let you know that your perspective here as a former Hare Krishna woman is invaluable.  Thank you for your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tapati ~ I just wanted to take minute to say, &#8220;Welcome&#8221; and to let you know that your perspective here as a former Hare Krishna woman is invaluable.  Thank you for your input.</p>
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		<title>By: Tapati</title>
		<link>http://nolongerquivering.com/2009/03/25/quiverfull-inside-the-christian-patriarchy-movement-a-review/comment-page-1/#comment-543</link>
		<dc:creator>Tapati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about books one is embarrassed to have read--back in the 70s many of us Hare Krishna women were reading Helen Andelin&#039;s &quot;Fascinating Womanhood.&quot; There was even a book for the men by her husband: &quot;Man of Steel and Velvet.&quot; FW was all about how being feminine and submissive and chaste would make your marriage better, and we felt it went right along with what we were told to be and do as devotee women. I thought it would help me stop the abuse I was taking from my former husband. Fat chance!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I homeschooled my daughter for a few years because the school system failed her utterly as a learning disabled student. I was desperate to get her reading. She was 12 with a reading level at first grade. I brought her up to 7th grade level in one year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our town had a great program for home-schoolers where we could use their books and network with other home-schooled kids for group activities, use their computers and so on. We had regular meetings with a teacher who supervised the program so we could get advice and ask questions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was vastly superior to what I observed in the special ed classroom where they spent most of their time corralling the hyperactive boys.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are all different varieties of home school and reasons for choosing to do it. Not all of them lead to Quiverfull. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about books one is embarrassed to have read&#8211;back in the 70s many of us Hare Krishna women were reading Helen Andelin&#8217;s &#8220;Fascinating Womanhood.&#8221; There was even a book for the men by her husband: &#8220;Man of Steel and Velvet.&#8221; FW was all about how being feminine and submissive and chaste would make your marriage better, and we felt it went right along with what we were told to be and do as devotee women. I thought it would help me stop the abuse I was taking from my former husband. Fat chance!</p>
<p>I homeschooled my daughter for a few years because the school system failed her utterly as a learning disabled student. I was desperate to get her reading. She was 12 with a reading level at first grade. I brought her up to 7th grade level in one year.</p>
<p>Our town had a great program for home-schoolers where we could use their books and network with other home-schooled kids for group activities, use their computers and so on. We had regular meetings with a teacher who supervised the program so we could get advice and ask questions.</p>
<p>It was vastly superior to what I observed in the special ed classroom where they spent most of their time corralling the hyperactive boys.</p>
<p>There are all different varieties of home school and reasons for choosing to do it. Not all of them lead to Quiverfull. <img src='http://nolongerquivering.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tapati</title>
		<link>http://nolongerquivering.com/2009/03/25/quiverfull-inside-the-christian-patriarchy-movement-a-review/comment-page-1/#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>Tapati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about books one is embarrassed to have read--back in the 70s many of us Hare Krishna women were reading Helen Andelin&#039;s &quot;Fascinating Womanhood.&quot; There was even a book for the men by her husband: &quot;Man of Steel and Velvet.&quot; FW was all about how being feminine and submissive and chaste would make your marriage better, and we felt it went right along with what we were told to be and do as devotee women. I thought it would help me stop the abuse I was taking from my former husband. Fat chance!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I homeschooled my daughter for a few years because the school system failed her utterly as a learning disabled student. I was desperate to get her reading. She was 12 with a reading level at first grade. I brought her up to 7th grade level in one year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our town had a great program for home-schoolers where we could use their books and network with other home-schooled kids for group activities, use their computers and so on. We had regular meetings with a teacher who supervised the program so we could get advice and ask questions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was vastly superior to what I observed in the special ed classroom where they spent most of their time corralling the hyperactive boys.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are all different varieties of home school and reasons for choosing to do it. Not all of them lead to Quiverfull. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about books one is embarrassed to have read&#8211;back in the 70s many of us Hare Krishna women were reading Helen Andelin&#8217;s &#8220;Fascinating Womanhood.&#8221; There was even a book for the men by her husband: &#8220;Man of Steel and Velvet.&#8221; FW was all about how being feminine and submissive and chaste would make your marriage better, and we felt it went right along with what we were told to be and do as devotee women. I thought it would help me stop the abuse I was taking from my former husband. Fat chance!</p>
<p>I homeschooled my daughter for a few years because the school system failed her utterly as a learning disabled student. I was desperate to get her reading. She was 12 with a reading level at first grade. I brought her up to 7th grade level in one year.</p>
<p>Our town had a great program for home-schoolers where we could use their books and network with other home-schooled kids for group activities, use their computers and so on. We had regular meetings with a teacher who supervised the program so we could get advice and ask questions.</p>
<p>It was vastly superior to what I observed in the special ed classroom where they spent most of their time corralling the hyperactive boys.</p>
<p>There are all different varieties of home school and reasons for choosing to do it. Not all of them lead to Quiverfull. <img src='http://nolongerquivering.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: a.b.e.</title>
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		<dc:creator>a.b.e.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the complentarian world it&#039;s men more than women who are pushing female subordination.  Men like Wayne Grudem, Paige Patterson, Bruce Ware and Marc Driscoll.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Check out www.cbeinternational.org for people who support egalitarianism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the complentarian world it&#8217;s men more than women who are pushing female subordination.  Men like Wayne Grudem, Paige Patterson, Bruce Ware and Marc Driscoll.</p>
<p>Check out <a href="http://www.cbeinternational.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbeinternational.org</a> for people who support egalitarianism.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Isn&#039;t it interesting that it has mostly been the WOMEN who are writing these books, teaching seminars, and leading other women into this life of subordination&lt;&lt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Actually, I think this is the result of a couple of things.  For one, by and large women tend to be more verbal.  We tend to communicate more.  The sense I got from QUIVERFULL--and I add my thumb&#039;s up to yours--is that writing these books and teaching these seminars is an outlet these women could have that would give them leadership without impinging on territory commonly granted to men.  They can bring extra money into the home as a bonus, and the man can acquire extra brownie points by pointing out a spouse who brings other women and girls into the right way of thinking.  She becomes a diamond in his crown, as long as she doesn&#039;t go getting uppity about it.  From the way Joyce described these writers, they take great pride in following their own ideas at home, to show they work.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, I ask people not to trash homeschooling in general.  I&#039;m connected in a peripheral way to homeschooling for gifted children and children with learning and physical disabilites.  Homeschooling saved the sanity of some of my young friends &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; their families.  Like religion, it has its good side and its good people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Isn&#39;t it interesting that it has mostly been the WOMEN who are writing these books, teaching seminars, and leading other women into this life of subordination&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Actually, I think this is the result of a couple of things.  For one, by and large women tend to be more verbal.  We tend to communicate more.  The sense I got from QUIVERFULL&#8211;and I add my thumb&#39;s up to yours&#8211;is that writing these books and teaching these seminars is an outlet these women could have that would give them leadership without impinging on territory commonly granted to men.  They can bring extra money into the home as a bonus, and the man can acquire extra brownie points by pointing out a spouse who brings other women and girls into the right way of thinking.  She becomes a diamond in his crown, as long as she doesn&#39;t go getting uppity about it.  From the way Joyce described these writers, they take great pride in following their own ideas at home, to show they work.</p>
<p>Also, I ask people not to trash homeschooling in general.  I&#39;m connected in a peripheral way to homeschooling for gifted children and children with learning and physical disabilites.  Homeschooling saved the sanity of some of my young friends <i>and</i> their families.  Like religion, it has its good side and its good people!</p>
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