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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://nolongerquivering.com/2010/07/27/demand-for-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-4753</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I&#039;m a man who forsook Evangelical Christianity after over 2 decades of adult involvement.   My first marriage failed largely due to many of the things that the apology from CBMW demands.  One big problem is that most men are &quot;wounded&quot; themselves and therefore cannot nurture nor respect others, especially women in any sort of a healthy way.   The literalist presentation of the Bible promotes the draconian Fundamental/Evangelical sub-culture that creates so much fear and self-loathing in both men and women.

Believe me, MEN need to reclaim their personal identity and humanity from the &quot;death grip&quot; of Bible fundamentalism as well.  Personally, I&#039;m no longer persuaded and certainly not intimidated by Biblical/spiritual rhetoric.   For a religion that promises so much peace and preaches that God loves &quot;unconditionally&quot;,  Fundamentalist Christianity consistently delivers so little of it.

Let&#039;s learn to love ourselves first so we can take back who we really our as individuals.  Only then will be free to love another. My wife of 13 years and I were once in high-control Evangelical Sect.  We got out 6 years ago and are now pursing our individual dreams, yet happier together than ever without church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I&#8217;m a man who forsook Evangelical Christianity after over 2 decades of adult involvement.   My first marriage failed largely due to many of the things that the apology from CBMW demands.  One big problem is that most men are &#8220;wounded&#8221; themselves and therefore cannot nurture nor respect others, especially women in any sort of a healthy way.   The literalist presentation of the Bible promotes the draconian Fundamental/Evangelical sub-culture that creates so much fear and self-loathing in both men and women.</p>
<p>Believe me, MEN need to reclaim their personal identity and humanity from the &#8220;death grip&#8221; of Bible fundamentalism as well.  Personally, I&#8217;m no longer persuaded and certainly not intimidated by Biblical/spiritual rhetoric.   For a religion that promises so much peace and preaches that God loves &#8220;unconditionally&#8221;,  Fundamentalist Christianity consistently delivers so little of it.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s learn to love ourselves first so we can take back who we really our as individuals.  Only then will be free to love another. My wife of 13 years and I were once in high-control Evangelical Sect.  We got out 6 years ago and are now pursing our individual dreams, yet happier together than ever without church.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know what the real truth of the whole issue is?

The CBMW are idolaters.  Yes, you heard me.  

You&#039;re quarreling with IDOLATERS.  They&#039;re not  going to listen to you!  &quot;Ephraim is joined to his idols...let him be.&quot;  It would be a much *better* strategy to go warn the myriads of young people who are going to be taken in by this to STAY AWAY, THAT THIS IS IDOLATRY AND HERESY.

These &quot;believers&quot; have decided to elevate gender into a &quot;God...&quot; 

It&#039;s THEIR &quot;God&quot;!

They can&#039;t face the fact that the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is also the God of eunuchs---some of whom chose to *become* eunuchs to pursue the Kingdom of Heaven.  These idolators, these Pharisees, would spit at a Carpenter&#039;s Son Who over 2,000 years ago said, (paraphrasing),  &quot;Jerusalem, Jerusalem!  How I longed to take you under My wings as a mother hen does her chicks, but you would not~!&quot;  They would spit at this Son, call him a &quot;sissy&quot; and accuse Him of being wimpy, and crucify Him---notwithstanding all their denials.   They can&#039;t face the fact that the Man Who overturned the moneychangers&#039; tables and called the Pharisees out on a regular basis was also meek, mild, and like a lamb led to the slaughter when His Hour arrived.  NO, they&#039;re MUCH MORE interested in participating in Neanderthal pagan cave-dwelling &quot;masculinity&quot; than they are picking up their Cross and following Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.

They claim to love their wives sacrificially as Christ does the Church---blatantly ignoring the torment they inflict, or even deliberately making their wives go up on the Cross instead of themselves!  

Female Christians:  the days are evil.  Perhaps I&#039;m advocating something that St. Paul would never have dared to insist on, but I think we women believers need to accept the hard, cold truth:  the institution of marriage has fallen FOR GOOD and is way too dangerous to our faith and watchfulness to participate in:  the days are evil, the Antichrist is just around the corner, and there is too much apostasy in the Church---thanks in part to organizations like CBMW---to trust that ANY marriage made nowadays will last.  Plus, Our Lord and Savior is coming back VERY shortly.  Women believers, stay single, ***unless you know beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Holy Spirit is ordering you to get married.***   Otherwise, stay away:  it&#039;s too dangerous, and the  hour way too late...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know what the real truth of the whole issue is?</p>
<p>The CBMW are idolaters.  Yes, you heard me.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re quarreling with IDOLATERS.  They&#8217;re not  going to listen to you!  &#8220;Ephraim is joined to his idols&#8230;let him be.&#8221;  It would be a much *better* strategy to go warn the myriads of young people who are going to be taken in by this to STAY AWAY, THAT THIS IS IDOLATRY AND HERESY.</p>
<p>These &#8220;believers&#8221; have decided to elevate gender into a &#8220;God&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s THEIR &#8220;God&#8221;!</p>
<p>They can&#8217;t face the fact that the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is also the God of eunuchs&#8212;some of whom chose to *become* eunuchs to pursue the Kingdom of Heaven.  These idolators, these Pharisees, would spit at a Carpenter&#8217;s Son Who over 2,000 years ago said, (paraphrasing),  &#8220;Jerusalem, Jerusalem!  How I longed to take you under My wings as a mother hen does her chicks, but you would not~!&#8221;  They would spit at this Son, call him a &#8220;sissy&#8221; and accuse Him of being wimpy, and crucify Him&#8212;notwithstanding all their denials.   They can&#8217;t face the fact that the Man Who overturned the moneychangers&#8217; tables and called the Pharisees out on a regular basis was also meek, mild, and like a lamb led to the slaughter when His Hour arrived.  NO, they&#8217;re MUCH MORE interested in participating in Neanderthal pagan cave-dwelling &#8220;masculinity&#8221; than they are picking up their Cross and following Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.</p>
<p>They claim to love their wives sacrificially as Christ does the Church&#8212;blatantly ignoring the torment they inflict, or even deliberately making their wives go up on the Cross instead of themselves!  </p>
<p>Female Christians:  the days are evil.  Perhaps I&#8217;m advocating something that St. Paul would never have dared to insist on, but I think we women believers need to accept the hard, cold truth:  the institution of marriage has fallen FOR GOOD and is way too dangerous to our faith and watchfulness to participate in:  the days are evil, the Antichrist is just around the corner, and there is too much apostasy in the Church&#8212;thanks in part to organizations like CBMW&#8212;to trust that ANY marriage made nowadays will last.  Plus, Our Lord and Savior is coming back VERY shortly.  Women believers, stay single, ***unless you know beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Holy Spirit is ordering you to get married.***   Otherwise, stay away:  it&#8217;s too dangerous, and the  hour way too late&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://nolongerquivering.com/2010/07/27/demand-for-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-4620</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I&#039;m just tired of this.  So tired.  Women fought like animals in the 60s, 70s, and 80s for equality and to be viewed as human beings, and THIS is what&#039;s happening???   Theocrats getting together and deciding that there&#039;s a pink and a blue track for salvation???  What on earth is going on here?  

I can&#039;t ascribe this to biology...this country has had too long a history of ongoing feminist struggle, although it went on by different names (the first Seneca Falls convention, the women&#039;s suffrage movement, the Temperance movement--a misguided effort to control domestic violence by outlawing alcohol).   BUT THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BACKSLIDING OF WOMEN&#039;S RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY AS WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW...

The only thing I can GENUINELY think of is that moneyed interests have combined with virulently rightwing theocratic elements to wage a dirty covert war against women&#039;s rights.  From what I can tell, more than a fair number of them are Christian Reconstructionists---the American Taliban.  &quot;Handmaid&#039;s Tale,&quot; anyone?

May the Lord Jesus Christ come back SOON and put an end to this agony.  What an abomination this utter heresy is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I&#8217;m just tired of this.  So tired.  Women fought like animals in the 60s, 70s, and 80s for equality and to be viewed as human beings, and THIS is what&#8217;s happening???   Theocrats getting together and deciding that there&#8217;s a pink and a blue track for salvation???  What on earth is going on here?  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t ascribe this to biology&#8230;this country has had too long a history of ongoing feminist struggle, although it went on by different names (the first Seneca Falls convention, the women&#8217;s suffrage movement, the Temperance movement&#8211;a misguided effort to control domestic violence by outlawing alcohol).   BUT THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BACKSLIDING OF WOMEN&#8217;S RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY AS WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW&#8230;</p>
<p>The only thing I can GENUINELY think of is that moneyed interests have combined with virulently rightwing theocratic elements to wage a dirty covert war against women&#8217;s rights.  From what I can tell, more than a fair number of them are Christian Reconstructionists&#8212;the American Taliban.  &#8220;Handmaid&#8217;s Tale,&#8221; anyone?</p>
<p>May the Lord Jesus Christ come back SOON and put an end to this agony.  What an abomination this utter heresy is!</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Kunsman</title>
		<link>http://nolongerquivering.com/2010/07/27/demand-for-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-4516</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Kunsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link!

http://bprescott.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=633644</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link!</p>
<p><a href="http://bprescott.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=633644" rel="nofollow">http://bprescott.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=633644</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Kunsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy Kunsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a link to a radio interview with Jocelyn Andersen discussing the Demand for an Apology and her history of Domestic Violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a link to a radio interview with Jocelyn Andersen discussing the Demand for an Apology and her history of Domestic Violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Kunsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy Kunsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Baptist Associated Press published an article about the Demand for an Apology:
http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/5370/53/

And for another perspective on the conference, Waneta Dawn (author of &quot;Behind the Hedge, a novel about her experience of domestic abuse) wrote about it on Submission Tyranny:  http://submissiontyranny.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Baptist Associated Press published an article about the Demand for an Apology:<br />
<a href="http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/5370/53/" rel="nofollow">http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/5370/53/</a></p>
<p>And for another perspective on the conference, Waneta Dawn (author of &#8220;Behind the Hedge, a novel about her experience of domestic abuse) wrote about it on Submission Tyranny:  <a href="http://submissiontyranny.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://submissiontyranny.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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