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	<title>Comments on: Jill, Jessa and Jinger Duggar: &#8220;Experiencing freedom teenagers rarely taste.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Jono</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 01:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you about homeschooling. So long as you aren&#039;t an intolerant, Bible thumping lunatic who treats children as cattle and denigrates women, you&#039;re good people.

I have seen homeschooled kids turn out to be socially stunted and just totally unprepared for the real world. The biggest concern is that school is not just about learning, it is about environment - kids need to be able to interact, compete, befriend and learn from other kids, of all different shapes, origins and backgrounds. You seem to have fully realized this, and have integrated your kids into age appropriate activities where they can just be kids.

Personally, I wouldn&#039;t ever do homeschooling. I am lucky to have a good school system, but I also think that the experience of the school environment is irreplaceable. Certainly, if my child didn&#039;t take to it, I would find an alternate solution, but for the most part, the pros outweigh the cons.

All that being said, I cannot stand the Duggars, and certainly do think they oppress their children. Sure, the kids may get a top quality education, but it&#039;s inundated with their parents&#039; fundamentalist learnings. Rejection of specific sciences, philosophies and humanities is a gross abuse of the control they have over the minds of those kids. It&#039;s one thing to teach your beliefs; it is another thing ENTIRELY to deny evidence of any other beliefs and take away the choice to learn about them. Not only that, but solely religious based teachings aren&#039;t capable of functioning in the real world. That&#039;s probably why those kids aren&#039;t allowed to go to college - they&#039;d be able to read at a higher level than anyone, but would be laughed out for thinking the world is only 6000 years old. Or worse, not accepting a female instructor&#039;s authority. Those kids aren&#039;t capable of living in reality, and can only be confined to the tiny fantasy land constructed by their parents. They have no other place to go, no other options. 

That, to me, is oppression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about homeschooling. So long as you aren&#8217;t an intolerant, Bible thumping lunatic who treats children as cattle and denigrates women, you&#8217;re good people.</p>
<p>I have seen homeschooled kids turn out to be socially stunted and just totally unprepared for the real world. The biggest concern is that school is not just about learning, it is about environment &#8211; kids need to be able to interact, compete, befriend and learn from other kids, of all different shapes, origins and backgrounds. You seem to have fully realized this, and have integrated your kids into age appropriate activities where they can just be kids.</p>
<p>Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t ever do homeschooling. I am lucky to have a good school system, but I also think that the experience of the school environment is irreplaceable. Certainly, if my child didn&#8217;t take to it, I would find an alternate solution, but for the most part, the pros outweigh the cons.</p>
<p>All that being said, I cannot stand the Duggars, and certainly do think they oppress their children. Sure, the kids may get a top quality education, but it&#8217;s inundated with their parents&#8217; fundamentalist learnings. Rejection of specific sciences, philosophies and humanities is a gross abuse of the control they have over the minds of those kids. It&#8217;s one thing to teach your beliefs; it is another thing ENTIRELY to deny evidence of any other beliefs and take away the choice to learn about them. Not only that, but solely religious based teachings aren&#8217;t capable of functioning in the real world. That&#8217;s probably why those kids aren&#8217;t allowed to go to college &#8211; they&#8217;d be able to read at a higher level than anyone, but would be laughed out for thinking the world is only 6000 years old. Or worse, not accepting a female instructor&#8217;s authority. Those kids aren&#8217;t capable of living in reality, and can only be confined to the tiny fantasy land constructed by their parents. They have no other place to go, no other options. </p>
<p>That, to me, is oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many comments on this board that I could answer, but I&#039;m only going to cover the trend I saw running all through here: many of you hate homeschooling, and any parent who chooses such a method is isolating their children from having a real life.

The. Latter. Is. Not. True. Isolated homeschoolers are the exception, not the rule.

When we were still dating, my husband and I agreed we would homeschool our children. I went to public school from kindergarten through university, and my husband went mostly to Christian school. We made our decision mainly due to the fact that California schools are crap. That&#039;s all. California is #46 in education. Many kids in my graduating class in high school could barely read. The only reason I thrived was because I enjoy learning and taught myself a lot of the time, and I fortunately had a few teachers who would play to that.

I was also an Awana leader for twelve years and one of the things I did was hear sections during Handbook Time. The contrast between public, private, and home schooling was extremely sharp. A few public school kids knew how to memorize and comprehend what they read, but the majority didn&#039;t. Private school kids were a mixed bag--there were those who were lackadaisical and others who were gung-ho. Homeschoolers, on the other hand, consistently were prepared, they understood what they read, and they retained it. Plus, they didn&#039;t lose interest in the program once they hit the sixth grade, which happened most of the time with the public or private school girls, even the overachievers. 

I have seen the bi-product of California education outside Awana too. As a docent with my county&#039;s museum division, I&#039;ve done my share of Living History programs, and seen so many kids who lack even the most basic skills. Like using scissors. Or tying knots. More than once I had to literally bite my tongue to restrain my chagrin when kids would ask me what sewing was. Yeah. Sewing. Um, that&#039;s not good. It&#039;s par for the course in the Golden State, though.

Oh, and by the way, I don&#039;t believe the Duggars are only pretending for the cameras in regards to their education. I don&#039;t know them personally, but my nieces and nephew are homeschooled, and the oldest is a high school senior who has just begun attending the local junior college. All three kids are constantly interacting with their peers in various settings--soccer, 4-H, gymnastics, and so on, not to mention they&#039;ve hung out with pretty much every kid in their neighborhood. Does that sound like oppression to anybody? My husband&#039;s cousin homeschooled all six of her kids, and two of them just graduated from Biola. All of these kids act the same way in private as they do in public, and they&#039;re also quite confident and poised. I should know. I&#039;m family.

One more point before I close. California, like most of America, has to contend with No Child Left Behind, which is bad enough, but our kids also have bills like SB48 and Jerry Brown&#039;s bathroom bill to further degrade the situation. Google these things if you don&#039;t believe me, but as a responsible parent I refuse to send my kids into a hazardous environment in the name of &quot;socialization.&quot; It&#039;s not worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many comments on this board that I could answer, but I&#8217;m only going to cover the trend I saw running all through here: many of you hate homeschooling, and any parent who chooses such a method is isolating their children from having a real life.</p>
<p>The. Latter. Is. Not. True. Isolated homeschoolers are the exception, not the rule.</p>
<p>When we were still dating, my husband and I agreed we would homeschool our children. I went to public school from kindergarten through university, and my husband went mostly to Christian school. We made our decision mainly due to the fact that California schools are crap. That&#8217;s all. California is #46 in education. Many kids in my graduating class in high school could barely read. The only reason I thrived was because I enjoy learning and taught myself a lot of the time, and I fortunately had a few teachers who would play to that.</p>
<p>I was also an Awana leader for twelve years and one of the things I did was hear sections during Handbook Time. The contrast between public, private, and home schooling was extremely sharp. A few public school kids knew how to memorize and comprehend what they read, but the majority didn&#8217;t. Private school kids were a mixed bag&#8211;there were those who were lackadaisical and others who were gung-ho. Homeschoolers, on the other hand, consistently were prepared, they understood what they read, and they retained it. Plus, they didn&#8217;t lose interest in the program once they hit the sixth grade, which happened most of the time with the public or private school girls, even the overachievers. </p>
<p>I have seen the bi-product of California education outside Awana too. As a docent with my county&#8217;s museum division, I&#8217;ve done my share of Living History programs, and seen so many kids who lack even the most basic skills. Like using scissors. Or tying knots. More than once I had to literally bite my tongue to restrain my chagrin when kids would ask me what sewing was. Yeah. Sewing. Um, that&#8217;s not good. It&#8217;s par for the course in the Golden State, though.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, I don&#8217;t believe the Duggars are only pretending for the cameras in regards to their education. I don&#8217;t know them personally, but my nieces and nephew are homeschooled, and the oldest is a high school senior who has just begun attending the local junior college. All three kids are constantly interacting with their peers in various settings&#8211;soccer, 4-H, gymnastics, and so on, not to mention they&#8217;ve hung out with pretty much every kid in their neighborhood. Does that sound like oppression to anybody? My husband&#8217;s cousin homeschooled all six of her kids, and two of them just graduated from Biola. All of these kids act the same way in private as they do in public, and they&#8217;re also quite confident and poised. I should know. I&#8217;m family.</p>
<p>One more point before I close. California, like most of America, has to contend with No Child Left Behind, which is bad enough, but our kids also have bills like SB48 and Jerry Brown&#8217;s bathroom bill to further degrade the situation. Google these things if you don&#8217;t believe me, but as a responsible parent I refuse to send my kids into a hazardous environment in the name of &#8220;socialization.&#8221; It&#8217;s not worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 02:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many things wrong with Mr. Richard&#039;s assessment, I don&#039;t think I could put it all in one comment.  The freedom to be themselves is an interesting comment.  He saw three young women ( they stopped being girls a while ago) who only interact with their own family, or with others if, approved by their parents.  Second, the girls appeared happy, because they are always happy, because that is what is expected. Third, the freedom you refer to is not something you or those three young women understand.  Do you seriously think, given the choice they would speak to you instead of maybe meeting a young man or men their own age? Or making a new friend of a young woman they didn&#039;t know or maybe just going rock-climbing or sailing?  The freedom thing hasn&#039;t even scratched the surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many things wrong with Mr. Richard&#8217;s assessment, I don&#8217;t think I could put it all in one comment.  The freedom to be themselves is an interesting comment.  He saw three young women ( they stopped being girls a while ago) who only interact with their own family, or with others if, approved by their parents.  Second, the girls appeared happy, because they are always happy, because that is what is expected. Third, the freedom you refer to is not something you or those three young women understand.  Do you seriously think, given the choice they would speak to you instead of maybe meeting a young man or men their own age? Or making a new friend of a young woman they didn&#8217;t know or maybe just going rock-climbing or sailing?  The freedom thing hasn&#8217;t even scratched the surface.</p>
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		<title>By: Lsndr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lsndr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My girls are 19 and 24.  They are both wonderful mature girls and are mature Christians.  

I don&#039;t think God wants us to live in a coccoon.  If we aren&#039;t out in the world living then how do we effect others?  

I think God wants us to live full complete lives.  Enjoying all of his creation.  

My girls went to public schools and attended college. No they did not live at home. I never had problems with my girls being disrespectful or premiscous.  

I always talked to my girls.  I respected who they were and encouraged them in their intersts.

The Duggars never let their kids try new things or experience the world.  How can they say the are mature christians when their beliefs are never tested?  When the Duggars went on a mission trip to Belize it was such a joke.  It was so embarrassing to watch.  They acted like they were the Great White Saviors riding in on their white horses.  Geez!!!  Talk about patronizing.

I think the Duggar girls need to be allowed to get jobs and live on their own so they can make the best decisions at what God wants for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My girls are 19 and 24.  They are both wonderful mature girls and are mature Christians.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think God wants us to live in a coccoon.  If we aren&#8217;t out in the world living then how do we effect others?  </p>
<p>I think God wants us to live full complete lives.  Enjoying all of his creation.  </p>
<p>My girls went to public schools and attended college. No they did not live at home. I never had problems with my girls being disrespectful or premiscous.  </p>
<p>I always talked to my girls.  I respected who they were and encouraged them in their intersts.</p>
<p>The Duggars never let their kids try new things or experience the world.  How can they say the are mature christians when their beliefs are never tested?  When the Duggars went on a mission trip to Belize it was such a joke.  It was so embarrassing to watch.  They acted like they were the Great White Saviors riding in on their white horses.  Geez!!!  Talk about patronizing.</p>
<p>I think the Duggar girls need to be allowed to get jobs and live on their own so they can make the best decisions at what God wants for them.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does not matter if the Duggars say they are not &quot;Quiverfull&quot;. My parents didn&#039;tuse the word &quot;Quiverfull&quot; but we were Quiverfull by most peoples&#039; idea.  That term was coined to describe a family in which there is no birth control used, and generally, Quiverful families including the Duggars are consevative Christians, mom at home, dad working, homeschoolig, the girls are in dresses or skirts or jumpers, dating is prohibited, the children are sheltered in the exxtreme and usually homeschooled, and oftentimes they exercise extreme control in what their children watch, listen to, read, etc. THerefore in fact, the children, the teens, are not &quot;free&quot;. Freedom to explore the world ...that is freedom.  Anyway, So whatever they call themselves, if it looks like a duck, it&#039;s a  duck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does not matter if the Duggars say they are not &#8220;Quiverfull&#8221;. My parents didn&#8217;tuse the word &#8220;Quiverfull&#8221; but we were Quiverfull by most peoples&#8217; idea.  That term was coined to describe a family in which there is no birth control used, and generally, Quiverful families including the Duggars are consevative Christians, mom at home, dad working, homeschoolig, the girls are in dresses or skirts or jumpers, dating is prohibited, the children are sheltered in the exxtreme and usually homeschooled, and oftentimes they exercise extreme control in what their children watch, listen to, read, etc. THerefore in fact, the children, the teens, are not &#8220;free&#8221;. Freedom to explore the world &#8230;that is freedom.  Anyway, So whatever they call themselves, if it looks like a duck, it&#8217;s a  duck.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH. MY. GOODNESS. I was a Quiverfull girl. That&#039;s the way almost adult I ever met felt about me, and the way I saw them speak of other Quiverfull girs I knew. They really do not get it. At all. They have no psychological understanding of situations and what an environment does to you. Quiverfull girls are raised to please, and please we do. It appeals to the shallowness in others. Who is to say what the Duggar girls would listen to if they had a  choice? There is far more than just bad misogynist music out there. THere is a whole world out there that they could choose to nourish their souls, find out about themselves -- but their parents do not trust them. Your parents not trusting you is what strips away your confidenece more than *anything* else. It took me til 33 to even BEGIN to start having healthy realtionships w/a male. That comes from a good father and feeling you are competent and valuable. Being denied interaction with teenage boys ? - that&#039;s not the way to being a healthy woman. Being sheltered makes life harder, not easier. I was SOOO insecure as  Quiverfull daughter! Parents loved me as I was hellpful and kind and sweet. I was NOT confident. Young Women are taught to act, and we are punished if we do not - so I acted. This guy is so off base in his assessment. It&#039;s a nice world for men when women and girls are sweet, compliant, interested in talking to you (because they live under surveillance and barely have free time so want to talk to ANYBODY , they are bored to death). IT is nice for men when girls and young women are so well behaved and controlled. But it&#039;s is NOT a  nice world for the girls themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH. MY. GOODNESS. I was a Quiverfull girl. That&#8217;s the way almost adult I ever met felt about me, and the way I saw them speak of other Quiverfull girs I knew. They really do not get it. At all. They have no psychological understanding of situations and what an environment does to you. Quiverfull girls are raised to please, and please we do. It appeals to the shallowness in others. Who is to say what the Duggar girls would listen to if they had a  choice? There is far more than just bad misogynist music out there. THere is a whole world out there that they could choose to nourish their souls, find out about themselves &#8212; but their parents do not trust them. Your parents not trusting you is what strips away your confidenece more than *anything* else. It took me til 33 to even BEGIN to start having healthy realtionships w/a male. That comes from a good father and feeling you are competent and valuable. Being denied interaction with teenage boys ? &#8211; that&#8217;s not the way to being a healthy woman. Being sheltered makes life harder, not easier. I was SOOO insecure as  Quiverfull daughter! Parents loved me as I was hellpful and kind and sweet. I was NOT confident. Young Women are taught to act, and we are punished if we do not &#8211; so I acted. This guy is so off base in his assessment. It&#8217;s a nice world for men when women and girls are sweet, compliant, interested in talking to you (because they live under surveillance and barely have free time so want to talk to ANYBODY , they are bored to death). IT is nice for men when girls and young women are so well behaved and controlled. But it&#8217;s is NOT a  nice world for the girls themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Melfina87</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melfina87</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number One*
Id like to know if they think that all babies come &quot;from god&quot; as Michelle and JimBob and even their own son Josh Duggar has stated, and not from having sex, to justify having so many children and letting God decide the number of children, what they think of people who are drug addicts having kids? if God was putting babies in those bellies who become addicted to drugs, why would he do that? If he is sitting around magically putting kids into people who arent using birth control, why would he give kids to horrible people and let them live a life of pain and abuse to become like that themselves? it makes no sense. 
Number Two*
Also they have showed them taking there kids to a creation musuem in where they teach their children that the earth is only 6,000 years old and Noah walked with dinosaurs and such non sense, saying that evalution is un-scientific and creationism is the real truth, even though they said that they werent trying to force the idea of creationism on their children, i certianlly didn&#039;t see them taking them to a science lab showing kids such things as carbon dating, and things they we know are true, because its based on facts and research, not some mythical story telling. Noah couldn&#039;t have fit EVERY animal in a ship and they all some how co-exisited with eachother, for many days. Although once I did have a Christan girl tell me that Noah used his magic powers (yes for real!) and shrunk all the animals and the insects and stuff, and thats how they all fit. Maybe thats what they tell their children he did, I don&#039;t know, but they arent allowed to question things so i doubt they would have spoken up even they would have thought of that.
Number Three*
Having that large of a house and then cramming 9 boys and 9 girls into TWO bedrooms, where there are adult children and babies in the same room, is plain wrong. The Duggars said they wanted to share a room, but obioviously its not because they want to, its because the parents wanted them to, and its conveint for them to have the older girls watch all the small girls, like they are extra nannies. I&#039;ve never seen John David dressing the children, feeding them, doing the things that only &quot;mommies do&quot; so clearly the girls are being groomed to be mothers, even though Michelle denies this consitently. The reason why this type of indocernating in religion in wrong is because even though its to &quot;protect&quot; the children from the evils of the world, its also a way for men to control women and use them a baby makers, like a second class citizen. These quiverfull fantics have said the girls have more freedom because they dont have the problems or emotional baggage that some girls do, but from what i&#039;ve seen these girls are almost completely void of any personailty or have any opinons themselves, they repeat everything their parents say like a parrot. They also are lacking in emontional maturity, they are closer to 13 brain wise, even though they have been homeschooled. Josh and Anna acted so akwardly when he propossed to her, to was hard to watch, and getting married at 20? and rushing the entire &quot;courtship&quot; and ingagement/wedding was strange. I suppose they would have to get married much younger, or be a virgin living at home until they are 30? it would be really strange, almost as strange as having a child your children possibley be older then your future siblings.
Number Five* 
If you get paid from a TV network, get paid for interviews, and books, why would you make your children have used shoes, clothes, and not allow your children to go to college? you would think with all that money they would be saving it to go towards thier higher education for the ones who decided to go, or at least donate it to charity since they think TV is so evil and yet put thier entire lives on TV...something else that is quite bazaire, espically on a network that 99% airs things they would never watch, or allow their children to watch. JimBob said that some of the girls expressed desires to be midwives, a photographer, and teachers, but you do really think they will be able to do that when they will be married off and let there husbands be the bread winners? Their husbands will not let them earn equal income, and with all those babies they will have running around them those things will become more like a hobbie, not a carrer. Those girls have to do their own hair and grow it long because &quot;My dad likes long hair&quot; as Jill said in one episode. Really you can&#039;t even decide what kind of hair style you have, your dad decides that? Sad.
 They say they live frugally, yada yada, and yet they can drive Rv&#039;s and have so many cars, trucks, vans, golf carts, and landscaping equipment its crazy. The parents are always going on trips, while the kids get to go on &quot;feild trips&quot; its obivous that the kids sacrfice much more then the parents do. 
Well these are just a few of the things ive noticed watching this family, im sure everyone will disagree with me but whatever, its a obeservation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Number One*<br />
Id like to know if they think that all babies come &#8220;from god&#8221; as Michelle and JimBob and even their own son Josh Duggar has stated, and not from having sex, to justify having so many children and letting God decide the number of children, what they think of people who are drug addicts having kids? if God was putting babies in those bellies who become addicted to drugs, why would he do that? If he is sitting around magically putting kids into people who arent using birth control, why would he give kids to horrible people and let them live a life of pain and abuse to become like that themselves? it makes no sense.<br />
Number Two*<br />
Also they have showed them taking there kids to a creation musuem in where they teach their children that the earth is only 6,000 years old and Noah walked with dinosaurs and such non sense, saying that evalution is un-scientific and creationism is the real truth, even though they said that they werent trying to force the idea of creationism on their children, i certianlly didn&#8217;t see them taking them to a science lab showing kids such things as carbon dating, and things they we know are true, because its based on facts and research, not some mythical story telling. Noah couldn&#8217;t have fit EVERY animal in a ship and they all some how co-exisited with eachother, for many days. Although once I did have a Christan girl tell me that Noah used his magic powers (yes for real!) and shrunk all the animals and the insects and stuff, and thats how they all fit. Maybe thats what they tell their children he did, I don&#8217;t know, but they arent allowed to question things so i doubt they would have spoken up even they would have thought of that.<br />
Number Three*<br />
Having that large of a house and then cramming 9 boys and 9 girls into TWO bedrooms, where there are adult children and babies in the same room, is plain wrong. The Duggars said they wanted to share a room, but obioviously its not because they want to, its because the parents wanted them to, and its conveint for them to have the older girls watch all the small girls, like they are extra nannies. I&#8217;ve never seen John David dressing the children, feeding them, doing the things that only &#8220;mommies do&#8221; so clearly the girls are being groomed to be mothers, even though Michelle denies this consitently. The reason why this type of indocernating in religion in wrong is because even though its to &#8220;protect&#8221; the children from the evils of the world, its also a way for men to control women and use them a baby makers, like a second class citizen. These quiverfull fantics have said the girls have more freedom because they dont have the problems or emotional baggage that some girls do, but from what i&#8217;ve seen these girls are almost completely void of any personailty or have any opinons themselves, they repeat everything their parents say like a parrot. They also are lacking in emontional maturity, they are closer to 13 brain wise, even though they have been homeschooled. Josh and Anna acted so akwardly when he propossed to her, to was hard to watch, and getting married at 20? and rushing the entire &#8220;courtship&#8221; and ingagement/wedding was strange. I suppose they would have to get married much younger, or be a virgin living at home until they are 30? it would be really strange, almost as strange as having a child your children possibley be older then your future siblings.<br />
Number Five*<br />
If you get paid from a TV network, get paid for interviews, and books, why would you make your children have used shoes, clothes, and not allow your children to go to college? you would think with all that money they would be saving it to go towards thier higher education for the ones who decided to go, or at least donate it to charity since they think TV is so evil and yet put thier entire lives on TV&#8230;something else that is quite bazaire, espically on a network that 99% airs things they would never watch, or allow their children to watch. JimBob said that some of the girls expressed desires to be midwives, a photographer, and teachers, but you do really think they will be able to do that when they will be married off and let there husbands be the bread winners? Their husbands will not let them earn equal income, and with all those babies they will have running around them those things will become more like a hobbie, not a carrer. Those girls have to do their own hair and grow it long because &#8220;My dad likes long hair&#8221; as Jill said in one episode. Really you can&#8217;t even decide what kind of hair style you have, your dad decides that? Sad.<br />
 They say they live frugally, yada yada, and yet they can drive Rv&#8217;s and have so many cars, trucks, vans, golf carts, and landscaping equipment its crazy. The parents are always going on trips, while the kids get to go on &#8220;feild trips&#8221; its obivous that the kids sacrfice much more then the parents do.<br />
Well these are just a few of the things ive noticed watching this family, im sure everyone will disagree with me but whatever, its a obeservation.</p>
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		<title>By: Joleen Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joleen Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 15:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Denelian: Please know that I am terribly sorry to hear about your experiences growing up. I have personally been in similar situations. While I did not have abusive parents, I was psychologically abused by a sibling my family no longer speaks to for this and other reasons, another relative (similar reasons) and many students at my school. It was a very difficult environment I was in and it will affect me for the rest of my life. It is my hope that you are able to recover from this. Also, anyone who works in DCFS, CPS, or any other family/child welfare organization: please watch this show VERY CAREFULLY. You will see that these girls are in a very restricted, oppressive, unhealthy environment. They are exploited for fame on TV; no religious/social freedom; have to do most of the housework and child care; can&#039;t do so many things that other teenagers can(cut hair, wear pants, makeup, dress differently, tv, go to school, and many more) and have to SIGN UP to have a minute to talk with their parents. I don&#039;t care what anybody says about this show. When you look at it from a realistic perspective, this environment is NOT healthy for a kid to grow up in (while it&#039;s okay to have large families, it is NOT OK to make the kids be the parents and be so limited in these aspects of their lives. They will never grow up to be experienced for the real world at this rate, especially these girls who deserve the chance to do and become so much more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Denelian: Please know that I am terribly sorry to hear about your experiences growing up. I have personally been in similar situations. While I did not have abusive parents, I was psychologically abused by a sibling my family no longer speaks to for this and other reasons, another relative (similar reasons) and many students at my school. It was a very difficult environment I was in and it will affect me for the rest of my life. It is my hope that you are able to recover from this. Also, anyone who works in DCFS, CPS, or any other family/child welfare organization: please watch this show VERY CAREFULLY. You will see that these girls are in a very restricted, oppressive, unhealthy environment. They are exploited for fame on TV; no religious/social freedom; have to do most of the housework and child care; can&#8217;t do so many things that other teenagers can(cut hair, wear pants, makeup, dress differently, tv, go to school, and many more) and have to SIGN UP to have a minute to talk with their parents. I don&#8217;t care what anybody says about this show. When you look at it from a realistic perspective, this environment is NOT healthy for a kid to grow up in (while it&#8217;s okay to have large families, it is NOT OK to make the kids be the parents and be so limited in these aspects of their lives. They will never grow up to be experienced for the real world at this rate, especially these girls who deserve the chance to do and become so much more.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Duggars are NOT apart of the Quiverfull Movement and the parents don&#039;t even expect all of their children to want as many children as them. Those kids do have freedom, a freedom that other teens do not have the pleasure of knowing. I hope to be as wonderful of a mother as Michelle someday and not because I feel that it&#039;s my &quot;place&quot; as a woman but because I&#039;ve always naturally wanted to be a mother and I definitely do not expect my future daughters (or sons) to want children as much (or as many) as I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Duggars are NOT apart of the Quiverfull Movement and the parents don&#8217;t even expect all of their children to want as many children as them. Those kids do have freedom, a freedom that other teens do not have the pleasure of knowing. I hope to be as wonderful of a mother as Michelle someday and not because I feel that it&#8217;s my &#8220;place&#8221; as a woman but because I&#8217;ve always naturally wanted to be a mother and I definitely do not expect my future daughters (or sons) to want children as much (or as many) as I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina/Change Of Heart.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina/Change Of Heart.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle and Jim Bob are not a part of the Quiverfull movement, have never been and won&#039;t ever be...I heard Michelle herself say that. Just fyi to those of you who don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle and Jim Bob are not a part of the Quiverfull movement, have never been and won&#8217;t ever be&#8230;I heard Michelle herself say that. Just fyi to those of you who don&#8217;t know.</p>
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