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	<title>Comments on: Steadfast Daughters in a Quivering World ~ Part 6: Soul-Binding</title>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is SO TRUE! I was raised between quiverfull and mainstream evangelical, and I thought my life was great - until I started forming my own beliefs. As long as I believed just as my parents did, they heaped praise on me. I was their perfect daughter, molded in their image. Then I came up with my own beliefs, differing from theirs religiously and politically, and I was seen as broken, ruined, a failure. It strikes me that to some extent actions don&#039;t matter - only beliefs do. I have a steady marriage and a young daughter now, and I&#039;m working on a graduate degree, as is my husband. But this doesn&#039;t matter. All that matters is I don&#039;t believe correctly about the role of the government or what will happen to us after we die. And that hurts. It hurts that I, me, the person I am, doesn&#039;t matter. It hurts that there is nothing I can do to change this or restore our relationship. My father&#039;s refusal to walk me down the aisle because my fiance wasn&#039;t the correct brand of Christian hurt. The rejection and suspicion I still feel in my parents&#039; house hurts. And the knowledge that if my parents were normal and hadn&#039;t espoused aspects of fundamentalism and quiverfull, we would still be happy and close today, in a way we can never be now. 

But I am my own person, and that is so liberating. I have an equal relationship with my husband, and he is my best friend. I have never laid a hand to my daughter, and she is happy, healthy, well adjusted, curious, creative, and the joy of my life. Because life goes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is SO TRUE! I was raised between quiverfull and mainstream evangelical, and I thought my life was great &#8211; until I started forming my own beliefs. As long as I believed just as my parents did, they heaped praise on me. I was their perfect daughter, molded in their image. Then I came up with my own beliefs, differing from theirs religiously and politically, and I was seen as broken, ruined, a failure. It strikes me that to some extent actions don&#8217;t matter &#8211; only beliefs do. I have a steady marriage and a young daughter now, and I&#8217;m working on a graduate degree, as is my husband. But this doesn&#8217;t matter. All that matters is I don&#8217;t believe correctly about the role of the government or what will happen to us after we die. And that hurts. It hurts that I, me, the person I am, doesn&#8217;t matter. It hurts that there is nothing I can do to change this or restore our relationship. My father&#8217;s refusal to walk me down the aisle because my fiance wasn&#8217;t the correct brand of Christian hurt. The rejection and suspicion I still feel in my parents&#8217; house hurts. And the knowledge that if my parents were normal and hadn&#8217;t espoused aspects of fundamentalism and quiverfull, we would still be happy and close today, in a way we can never be now. </p>
<p>But I am my own person, and that is so liberating. I have an equal relationship with my husband, and he is my best friend. I have never laid a hand to my daughter, and she is happy, healthy, well adjusted, curious, creative, and the joy of my life. Because life goes on.</p>
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		<title>By: What Stacy Actually Wrote. . . &#171; A Wife&#8217;s Submission</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Stacy Actually Wrote. . . &#171; A Wife&#8217;s Submission</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] latest blog on nolongerquivering is ostensibly replying to http://steadfastdaughters.com/ however what Daisy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] latest blog on nolongerquivering is ostensibly replying to <a href="http://steadfastdaughters.com/" rel="nofollow">http://steadfastdaughters.com/</a> however what Daisy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 05:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Just* what I needed to read this morning... while my little ones are... little!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Just* what I needed to read this morning&#8230; while my little ones are&#8230; little!!</p>
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		<title>By: writingmyheart@gmail.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>writingmyheart@gmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 03:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daisy, you&#039;ve done a really wonderful job writing this! We used to be part of our neighborhood Christian homeschooling group and I have two very spirited girls and, well, it didn&#039;t take too long before I learned that these other moms believed that I was not disciplining my children; they thought I needed the Pearls&#039; help. Thanks but no thanks. 

We&#039;re much happier in our area secular homeschooling group, and (as of recently) attending our local Unitarian Universalist church where, surprise surprise!, we&#039;ve encountered some of the same faces we&#039;ve been seeing at the secular co-op.

Anyhow, I wanted to add that just as QF/P parents tend to do what they do out of a misguided love, so do many other kinds of parents that we in the Western world see as abusive. My ten-year-old and I were recently reading about the practice of female circumcision, and we learned that some parents who don&#039;t like the practice still feel they need to do it because uncircumcised girls are so stigmatized in their society.

We learned of one woman whose parents resorted to doing the mildest form of the procedure on her because they disagreed with it but felt they&#039;d be ruining her life if they left her genitals alone. She grew up to found a special school where girls in her area can go if they choose not to be circumcised, and she didn&#039;t circumcise her own daughters at all.

Dd was, like, why don&#039;t these families just move rather than hurt their daughters?! And I had to explain that not everyone has the means or ability to move. I imagine that some Chinese parents probably didn&#039;t want to bind their little girls&#039; feet and did so for reasons similar to those of the QF/P and female circumcision group: they felt their daughters had to be crippled in order to have decent lives in the crippled society they were going to have to live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daisy, you&#8217;ve done a really wonderful job writing this! We used to be part of our neighborhood Christian homeschooling group and I have two very spirited girls and, well, it didn&#8217;t take too long before I learned that these other moms believed that I was not disciplining my children; they thought I needed the Pearls&#8217; help. Thanks but no thanks. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re much happier in our area secular homeschooling group, and (as of recently) attending our local Unitarian Universalist church where, surprise surprise!, we&#8217;ve encountered some of the same faces we&#8217;ve been seeing at the secular co-op.</p>
<p>Anyhow, I wanted to add that just as QF/P parents tend to do what they do out of a misguided love, so do many other kinds of parents that we in the Western world see as abusive. My ten-year-old and I were recently reading about the practice of female circumcision, and we learned that some parents who don&#8217;t like the practice still feel they need to do it because uncircumcised girls are so stigmatized in their society.</p>
<p>We learned of one woman whose parents resorted to doing the mildest form of the procedure on her because they disagreed with it but felt they&#8217;d be ruining her life if they left her genitals alone. She grew up to found a special school where girls in her area can go if they choose not to be circumcised, and she didn&#8217;t circumcise her own daughters at all.</p>
<p>Dd was, like, why don&#8217;t these families just move rather than hurt their daughters?! And I had to explain that not everyone has the means or ability to move. I imagine that some Chinese parents probably didn&#8217;t want to bind their little girls&#8217; feet and did so for reasons similar to those of the QF/P and female circumcision group: they felt their daughters had to be crippled in order to have decent lives in the crippled society they were going to have to live in.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 01:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between modern teenage rebellion and the &quot;perfectly smooth transition to adulthood&quot; is that parents in older centuries had no choice but to treat their sixteen year old as an adult - s/he was probably providing a third of their income, and could take it away any time. Kids grew up faster, yes, but parents also got used to the fact that kids were growing up, and treated them accordingly. Now, kids stay dependent on their parents longer, and the parents have an excuse to pretend that their 17-year-old is &quot;still their kid&quot; and &quot;has no business&quot; making decisions for herself. 

I&#039;m not an expert. I speak as someone who was raised in an anti-authoritarian household, where I have been allowed to pretty much make my own decisions, and deal with my own consequences since I was twelve. in order to avoid some of the nastier consequences, I generally ask my parents for advice on what I should do, but when we disagree, my life is mine. I made choices my parents disagreed with, but because my *parents* don&#039;t have the attitude problem so many modern *parents* seem to have, the issue of &quot;rebellion&quot; never came up.

TL;DR : authoritarian parenting is the cause, not the result, of teenage rebellion. it&#039;s hard to break rules that have a reasonable ammount of bend in them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between modern teenage rebellion and the &#8220;perfectly smooth transition to adulthood&#8221; is that parents in older centuries had no choice but to treat their sixteen year old as an adult &#8211; s/he was probably providing a third of their income, and could take it away any time. Kids grew up faster, yes, but parents also got used to the fact that kids were growing up, and treated them accordingly. Now, kids stay dependent on their parents longer, and the parents have an excuse to pretend that their 17-year-old is &#8220;still their kid&#8221; and &#8220;has no business&#8221; making decisions for herself. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an expert. I speak as someone who was raised in an anti-authoritarian household, where I have been allowed to pretty much make my own decisions, and deal with my own consequences since I was twelve. in order to avoid some of the nastier consequences, I generally ask my parents for advice on what I should do, but when we disagree, my life is mine. I made choices my parents disagreed with, but because my *parents* don&#8217;t have the attitude problem so many modern *parents* seem to have, the issue of &#8220;rebellion&#8221; never came up.</p>
<p>TL;DR : authoritarian parenting is the cause, not the result, of teenage rebellion. it&#8217;s hard to break rules that have a reasonable ammount of bend in them.</p>
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		<title>By: beautyforashes</title>
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		<dc:creator>beautyforashes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This. Is.  Beautiful.

I was a Pearl momma too...and, yes, I had baby booty camp and had no terrible twos---and all the parental smugness that went with it.  I thought I was serving the Lord, but what I was really doing was failing to allow my beloved children the right to begin to go through a *God-designed* process of individuation.  

 I am so glad I woke up from that lie and began to allow my children the freedom to be human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This. Is.  Beautiful.</p>
<p>I was a Pearl momma too&#8230;and, yes, I had baby booty camp and had no terrible twos&#8212;and all the parental smugness that went with it.  I thought I was serving the Lord, but what I was really doing was failing to allow my beloved children the right to begin to go through a *God-designed* process of individuation.  </p>
<p> I am so glad I woke up from that lie and began to allow my children the freedom to be human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Testimonies from No Longer Quivering Moms &#124; Why Not Train A Child?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Testimonies from No Longer Quivering Moms &#124; Why Not Train A Child?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the damage done by the quiverfull mindset.  Part 5: Confessions of a Quiverfull Hero and Part 6: Soul Binding are long testimonies about how raising children in the quiverfull mindset almost destroyed them.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the damage done by the quiverfull mindset.  Part 5: Confessions of a Quiverfull Hero and Part 6: Soul Binding are long testimonies about how raising children in the quiverfull mindset almost destroyed them.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just befuddles me that some parents celebrate teaching their children unthinking obedience.  Yikes!  Naive, obedient people are awfully easy to exploit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just befuddles me that some parents celebrate teaching their children unthinking obedience.  Yikes!  Naive, obedient people are awfully easy to exploit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez.

&quot;What we really should be afraid of is her silence. That compliant 25-year-old looks and sounds like an adult, but she has a 12-year-old soul. Like the tiny feet of Chinese girls crushed and tightly bound in rags by well-intentioned parents to prevent their healthy growth, that child may be the victim of a sort of a ‘soul-binding’. &quot;

I feel so understood this morning! 

My mother &quot;crushed and bound&quot; my soul...not for religious reason--but the outcome was exactly as you describe--and yes, it played a huge part in leading me straight to &quot;QF/Patriarchal/Fundamentalist methodology in my marriage and parenting.

The silence:  It&#039;s actually SHOCK masquerading as humility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez.</p>
<p>&#8220;What we really should be afraid of is her silence. That compliant 25-year-old looks and sounds like an adult, but she has a 12-year-old soul. Like the tiny feet of Chinese girls crushed and tightly bound in rags by well-intentioned parents to prevent their healthy growth, that child may be the victim of a sort of a ‘soul-binding’. &#8221;</p>
<p>I feel so understood this morning! </p>
<p>My mother &#8220;crushed and bound&#8221; my soul&#8230;not for religious reason&#8211;but the outcome was exactly as you describe&#8211;and yes, it played a huge part in leading me straight to &#8220;QF/Patriarchal/Fundamentalist methodology in my marriage and parenting.</p>
<p>The silence:  It&#8217;s actually SHOCK masquerading as humility.</p>
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