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Updates – Please Bookmark Our New Address

May 20, 2012

by Calulu

Just posted the latest installment of Millipede’s story up on our new Patheos space at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2012/05/millipede-part-3/

Our space at Patheos is a work in progress. As you can see there are no links to our suggested reading list, or our forums or pictures of Vyckie or anything remotely like what you see here. It’s not because we’re doing away with those things, not at all, but because Vyckie and I are still in the process of editing the new space, trying to construct a more user-friendly version of NLQ. We really want NLQ to be an easy to navigate site chock full of information on leaving dangerous situations of spiritual abuse.

I don’t know if any of you have tried to grow grapes but if you don’t watch what you’re doing, both with grapevine horticulture and web design it’s easy for it to spiral into a large disorganized heap. Grapevines have to be carefully pruned and shaped all the time during the growing season or you end up with a big mess that hasn’t produced the amounts of fruit you could have had. It’s the same with websites, you have to keep things pruned, updated and moving forward or you end up with mess that is hard to find the information.

My passion and vision for the new version of NLQ is to help as many women coming out of harmful fundamentalism as possible. Especially in these times when it seems like many different parts of society are attacking women in some form. We seek to bring hope, healing, a sisterhood of support to those that will be finding our site in the coming months. Both Vyckie and I are committed to this goal.

What about the forum? I keep getting asked. There will be some changes going on in regards to the forum. We will no longer be posting threads in the “NLQ Blog Posts” section. Patheos encourages it’s members to keep discussion of content on the actual posts in the comments section. This is particularly important with engaging new readers, particularly quiverfull-minded people. The best way to keep an actual give and take conversational exchange is on the blog.

The “Hot Topics” and “General Chat” sections will make up the majority of the forum for now. Those will be linked to as we keep making changes to our new site. We will be closing the “QF Survivors Corner” for now. The reason behind that is that we have had a mole in that section for some time that has shared some of the personal information members have posted in that section. It’s not safe to continue posting in that section and we really want all of NLQ to be a safe and supportive environment for our readers.

Thanks for making this one of the most supportive and encouraging sites for hurting people! You all rock!

Peace and love,

Calulu

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Who Was That Masked Man: Part 2

May 19, 2012

Print Friendly..is now up at our new address – http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2012/05/who-was-that-masked-man-part-2/ Please update your bookmarks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NLQ Recommends … ‘Breaking Their Will: Shedding Light on Religious Child Maltreatment’ by Janet Heimlich ‘Quivering Daughters‘ by Hillary McFarland ‘Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement‘ by Kathryn Joyce

Unwrapping the Onion: Part 8: Coming Out, Bit by Bit

May 18, 2012

The newest installment of Permission to Live’s powerful and courageous series it up at out new address – http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2012/05/unwrapping-the-onion-part-8-coming-out-bit-by-bit/

Be sure to correct your bookmarks for NLQ to our new address at Patheos – http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/

NLQ’s Recommended Reading List

May 11, 2012

No Longer Quivering is updating the Recommended Reading List. If you have a book you’d like to see included, please add the title in the comments below. Thanks for your help!

Top picks:

Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy… by Kathryn Joyce

Quivering Daughters by Hillary McFarland

Breaking Their Will: Shedding Light on Reli… by Janet Heimlich

Woman Submit! Christians & Domestic Vio… by Jocelyn E Andersen

No Will Of My Own: How Patriarchy Smothers … by Jon H. Zens

Trusting Doubt: A Former Evangelical Looks … by Valerie Tarico

Not Under Bondage: Biblical Divorce for Abu… by Barbara Roberts

Why Does He Do That?: Inside the Minds of A… by Lundy Bancroft

Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, The: Recog… by David Johnson

Families Where Grace Is in Place by Jeff VanVonderen

Sex & God: How Religion Distorts Sexual… by Darrel Ray ED.D.

View the full list of NLQ recommended reading …

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Cult of Personality – Adventures in Recovery

May 7, 2012

by Calulu

A few weeks ago I took my daughter out for an celebratory lunch at her favorite Greek restaurant. She’s gotten acceptance letters from all of the colleges she’s applied to plus we really needed to touch base, take a time out together from the busy of our lives. Over sovlaki and hummus she started talking about what she would say to our former pastor Patrick if she ran into him again. She had run into him an few months ago and had been so surprised she’d just hurriedly muttered out pleasantries before leaving him as rapidly as a man with his pants on fire would run for the lawn sprinklers.

I had to ask her what she would say to Patrick if they were face to face. She blurted out something like “F**k you, motherf**ker and thanks for ruining my f**king childhood!” before laughing. We both laughed imaging the faces of those sycophants and hanger on-ers Patrick was always surrounded by if she let the F word fly.

That’s one big marker of a cult-like unhealthy church atmosphere, if everyone treats the pastor as if he is either the world’s most famous rockstar or the big toe of Jesus touching down on the earth to be adored. We saw that, participated in the pastor-pleasing behaviors too, perhaps not to the depth that many did but we did it as a family. It’s dangerous business for the most part. When everyone is busy kissing the rear end of the pastor or bowing down to his every whim and word it starts to look like a one man show with no real room for the Lord or anyone else. Plus the pastor starts to think he’s in control or assumes control. It also breeds unhealthy competition among the members all vying for the attention and favor of the pastor.

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Forming Boundaries Late in Life

May 3, 2012

by Latebloomer

Do any of these sound like you?

I have to always say yes to others, or else I am selfish.
I have to always hide my hurt, or else I am unloving.
I have to treat other people as faultless, or else I am holding a grudge.
I have to keep my wants and needs to myself, or else I am a burden to others.

People who experienced authoritarian parents tend to turn into adults with poor boundaries. They were trained for it their whole lives and can’t imagine another way of doing things. However, it’s an extremely unsatisfying and unsustainable way to live, don’t you think? But most importantly, it’s actually not what a loving person is like! For me, when I was in that mindset, my “loving” actions were actually motivated by obligation or guilt because I thought I didn’t really have a choice; I was just an actor.

Besides hindering me from showing real love based on real choice, this mindset also prevented me from ever feeling loved. My buried wants and needs were still there; I just expected any true friend to be hyper-vigilant to my emotional state and correctly guess my unexpressed wants/needs. I felt that anyone who didn’t put in that monumental effort didn’t really care about me. And when people hurt me, I didn’t give them a chance to repair the damage to the relationship; I either lied to myself and them by saying that I wasn’t hurt, or I expected them to realize the problem and fix it without being told. Obviously, it was really hard for anyone to break through those defenses to form a real and lasting connection with me, even if they wanted to.

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Quiverfull and the Introvert: Where Do You Get Your Energy?

April 29, 2012

by Barbie Getzreal

“Where do you get your energy?!”

This is a question which is frequently asked of Quiverfull moms by amazed and admiring onlookers who cannot imagine being able to keep up with the exponential demands of “biblical womanhood” including: perpetual pregnancy, child-bearing, adopting sibling groups, breastfeeding, baby wearing, chronic sleep deprivation, raising half a dozen or more closely-spaced, “stair-step” children, homeschoolingyear round through chronic illness, child-training, character training, tomato-staking, discipling children, homemaking, penny-pinching, organic gardening, baking from scratch, once-a-month cooking, homesteading, sewing modest clothing, showing hospitality, operating a “cottage” business, staying trim, fit and healthy, and of course, serving as loving helpmeet … all without the modern woman’s “village” of helpers: daycare, preschool, play dates, public school, the boob-tube babysitter, pre-packaged and frozen foods, day spas, “me time,” credit cards, government assistance, “allopathic” medicine, Sunday School, youth group, therapists, Ritalin for the kids, or Xanax for mom.

Even a cursory perusal of the above-linked Quiverfull blogs will leave a woman feeling overwhelmed and exhausted. “Where do you get your energy?” is the obvious and unavoidable question.

The most flippant, unprofitable, guilt-inducing, and insincere responses often sound the most spiritual:

“I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.”

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Answering the Quiverfull Party Line #1: If We’re Not Trusting God, We Are Playing God

April 27, 2012

As a counter-cultural movement, the Quiverfull philosophy and lifestyle are frequently subject to substantial criticism from outsiders (friends, neighbors, random strangers in grocery store check-out lines) – and, given the life-altering ramifications of embracing the Quiverfull ideal, even the firmly-convinced often ask tough questions with respect to the practicality and wisdom of “trusting the Lord with our family planning.” “Answering the Quiverfull Party Line” examines the Quiverfull apologia.

by Barbie Getzreal

The Quiverfull Party Line: If We’re Not Trusting God, We Are Playing God

Are We Pro-Choice or Pro-Life? Most Christians would answer Pro-Life. By this they mean that they are against terminating a life that has already been conceived through abortion. But are they really Pro-Life? What if God should so desire to bless them with another family member? Usually not. The majority of the church has openly embraced birth control, even though it’s very name clearly implies that someone else is in control other than God. Their bodies, destiny, family size, timing and structure have never been turned over. God’s creed has always been conception, birth and life. The world’s creed has always been birth control, sterilization and abortion. It all accomplishes the same purpose. Life has been stopped. Whose side are we on? (excerpted from Who Is In Control?)

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