Comments for NO LONGER QIVERING

Comment on Corpses Don’t Rebel: A former follower of Michael Pearl’s “To Train Up A Child” reacts to the death of Hana Williams by danielle

danielle — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:45:24 +0000

OK TO THE LADY WHO WROTE THIS THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH IT WAS NEEDED I AM A SINGLE MOM A CHILDCARE TEACHER AND I HAVE A DEGREE IN CHILD PHYSCOLOGY AND IN 15 YRS OF CARIG FOR CHILDREN I HAVE NEVER SPANKED HIT OR HURT A CHILD AND ALL CHILDREN I HAVE AND DO CARE FOR ARE HAPPY AND HEALTHY I HAVE READ THE PEARLS BOOK AND IT IS HORRIBLE I HAVE ALSO READ THE BIBLE SEVERAL TIMES THE VERSE SO MANY ‘CHRISTIANS” USE AS AN EXCUSE TO ABUSE CHILDREN SPARE THE ROD AND SPOIL THE CHILD IN THE BIBLCAL DAYS A ROD WAS A STAFF USED TO LEAD SHEEP AS SO THEY WOULD NOT STRAY IT HAD AND DOES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HITTING OR SPANKING BABIES AND CHILDREN THE ISSUE IS THAT PEOPLE NEEDED A WAY TO JUSTIFIE BEATING CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD CHILDREN WHAT BETTER WAY TO DO THAT THAN TO SAY “WELL GOD TOLD ME TO DO IT’ OF COARSE CHILDREN WHO ARE BEATEN AT 4 MONTHS OLD WILL GROW TO BE FALSLY HAPPY AND OBEY THEY KNOW IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER FEELINGS OR OPINIONS THE WILL “GET THE SWITCH’ I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT PARENTS WILL LOVE THEIR KIDS ENOUGH TO BURN THIS BOOK AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ADOPTING AND BEATING TO DEATH THIER CHILDREN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESCUING WELL FOR A CHILD ABUSERS THERE IS A SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL LIKE I ALWAYS SAY THERE A MORE THAN A FEW PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE SPAYED AND NEUTERED

Comment on Atlantic Wire:’19 Kids and Counting’ Gets Stranger, Sadder by NewLife

NewLife — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:11:46 +0000

I used to think this was true- but apparently Michelle gets pregnant first, then her milk dries up. I read of another woman who said she thought she was quiverfull until her seventh baby was born in seven years, with all signs pointing to seven more in the following seven years. Apparently lactational amennorrhea isn’t as prevalent as I thought. (Not a Duggar fan at all, but I gotta be fair about this accusation. I found the info on a Michelle Duggar interview about breastfeeding.) I think a more likely scenario is that they night wean early or do strict feeding schedules which interfere with natural spacing. That would match the Pearl/TTUAC type atmosphere suspected by most here.

Comment on Above Rubies Magazine: When Bad Things Happen to Quiverfull Moms by Alison G

Alison G — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:02:22 +0000

YOu know, I have gotten AR for years, even attended a few retreats. On of may friends is ‘really into them’ Our family is built through adoption. I was wondering where the Liberian kids were. What in the world happened? Where have I been?

Comment on How the Modesty Doctrine Hurts Men, Too by Sierra

Sierra — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:45:49 +0000

The problem is that there is no convenient way to refer to the network of ideas that the Message, Gothard, Vision Forum, Nancy Campbell, Stacy MacDonald and others participate in. They all call themselves evangelicals. Mark Driscoll styles himself as a contemporary evangelical, yet is also part of the network – how would you describe him? “Fundamentalist” has a set of meanings attached to it that don’t match this new wave very well; fundamentalists, for instance, were the ones who fought against the Pentecostal emphasis on miracles and revelation in the early 20th century. This network can’t be identified by denomination because they often have none, or are mixed up in several. The “Christian patriarchy movement” is the closest I think we can get, but it doesn’t encompass the fact that evangelical Christians are the ones inventing purity balls and pledges and stressing modesty. Not even all of them homeschool.

In short, I refer to these phenomena as part of evangelical culture because that’s what people in these groups identify with. The thing about evangelicals is many of them are quite happy to accept the majority of what Message believers believe, and yet sneer at Message people because of the whole “prophet thing.” (I don’t think the Message is special enough to have its own “brush.”) The only thing I can say to evangelicals who don’t believe in modesty culture is that I’m not talking about them. If the shoe doesn’t fit…

Comment on How the Modesty Doctrine Hurts Men, Too by Sierra

Sierra — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:33:58 +0000

Exactly this is what I meant. Thanks, NewLife.

Much of what I write is about the effects of Christian patriarchy on children and adolescents. None of it excuses the men who create these doctrines.

Comment on Atlantic Wire:’19 Kids and Counting’ Gets Stranger, Sadder by Olivia

Olivia — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:28:40 +0000

But The Duggars don’t even truly let nature take its course. Michelle weans her children early so she will be fertile again. So, she manipulates her body in the opposite direction most women in this country do. If she did the more natural thing and nursed for a couple of years she would have so many children.

Comment on NLQ FAQ: Does Someone Always Have To Be In Charge? Part 1 by Andrew

Andrew — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:49:25 +0000

Kirsten

Never mind my comment. I must need new glasses or something because I just saw that you did.

Comment on NLQ FAQ: Does Someone Always Have To Be In Charge? Part 1 by Andrew

Andrew — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:45:41 +0000

Kirsten

Regarding Hebrews 13:17 you should have referred the reader to the original Greek which a direct translation reads “be ye being persuaded” and not “Obey”. The reason the English is translated as “Obey” is due to medieval Roman Catholicism tampering with the Latin in order to justify their ruling over Western Europe. This is one of the items that the reformers failed to address and in John Calvin’s case used to his advantage with his theocratic rule in Geneva.

What Hebrews 13:17 really says is that we should give careful consideration to what church leaders say and why we should namely because they will be held to a much stricter account by God on the day of accounting. However we are not obliged to always do what they say. I learned this after leaving a church where the minister felt he needed to control everything in the church similar to a CEO and the Pastor at my new church found it necessary to tell the old Pastor that he was being a dictator.

Comment on NLQ FAQ: Does Someone Always Have To Be In Charge? Part 1 by madame

madame — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:48:04 +0000

Thanks for such a thorough study, Kristen!
If you think about it, Complementarianism is placing someone between women and God, practically usurping Jesus’ place in her life. Scary!

Anecdotically, I was travelling with my SIL and her now (officially) husband to the marriage office, and on the way we got into the role of elders in church. They believe elders ought to be submitted to and one ought to bring important decisions to them for them to not just counsel, but actually tell you what to do. For example, if a married couple is considering divorce, they ought to bring their case before the elders and have them decide for them what they should do.
This, and the “can we….” chapter in Mark Driscoll’s marriage book got me to thinking about the other side of authority. Why are we so eager to let someone else decide for us what is right and what is not? Why are Christians so dependent on the opinions of the leaders? (because it’s often just their opinion!)

Comment on Vision Forum, Samaritan Ministries Take Extreme “Pro-Life” Position on Ectopic Pregnancies by Retha

Retha — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:17:20 +0000

“the group denies payment for treatment of any conditions resulting from sinful behavior” -quoted from above.

That don’t sound Christian to me. If Jesus denied “payment for treatment of any conditions resulting from sinful behavior ”, He would not have died on a cross.

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A position more likely to kill a woman than to save a child is not even pro-life. The mother is a life too!