by Vyckie Garrison “Does God Hate Women?” author, Ophelia Benson recently shared a note which was posted on Reddit written by a young patriarch describing his “biblical marriage.” As Bible-believing Baptists who hold to reformed theology, X and I believe that God is sovereign in choosing who will or will not believe in him, having chosen his people before the foundation of the world (see Ephesians 1), and that his selection is unbreakable and irresistible. If marriage is to mirror this principle, we believe that a woman has no right to select a husband for herself, but Full post …
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“Husbands love your wives …” ~ the Peanut Butter in the Patriarchy trap!
My daughter, Berea, has mice in her new apartment ~ and this morning she asked on her Facebook status: WHAT DO MICE WANT?
Answer: Peanut Butter!
I’ve lost track of how many times I have been told that the only reason wifely submission did not work out in my marriage was because I was married to a jerk.
Recently, “Karebear” commented: I hope that you two understand that the groups/husbands that you were with were not practicing a Godly lifestyle. The bible does call women to be submissive to their husbands but it also calls men to love their wives …. And, the bible defines love as, not self-seeking, protective, kind ext….
Another reader wrote:
Husbands are commanded to love their wives and this love of a husband is only of value if it is sacrificial, Christ is the example of sacrificial love (Servant King–NOT TYRANT).
Submission of a wife is only a beautiful gift if the context is respect as opposed to fear.
The impression I get (forgive me for speaking out of ignorance) is that your marriage was codependant and that your husband had a weakness for malignant narcissism/Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
So in other words ~ the failure was not in the teachings of Patriarchy ~ but in our practice of it ~ we were doing it wrong. These defenders of Patriarchy assume that I was submitting out of fear and they’re also convinced that Warren never sacrificed for me and the kids.
Let me state plainly that throughout our 18 year marriage ~ I never doubted for a minute that Warren loved me and the children more than himself and that he always put our welfare ahead of his own concerns.
Here’s the thing: Over the years, as we got more and more into the patriarchal mindset ~ our definition of what it means for a husband to “love” and to “sacrifice” morphed into some pretty twisted ideas!
The teachings we learned from leaders such as Jonathan Lindvall, Doug Phillips, etc. led us to believe that the husband loves and serves the Lord as “protector, provider, and priest” or sometimes stated, “prophet, priest, and king” of his family ~ all important aspects of his role as “head of the household.”
In every sermon, book, magazine article, radio interview, etc. which taught about a wife’s submission ~ there was *always* included the admonition to husbands that they “love their wives as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself up for her.” WE UNDERSTOOD THAT PART OF THE PLAN!!!
Truthfully~ “Husband’s love your wives” is the part that makes the whole Patriarchy deal seem so bloody attractive! What woman doesn’t want a husband and father for her children who willingly lays down his life and serves, protects, provides ~ a man who fulfills his leadership role with gentleness and competence?
That’s exactly what we all wanted.
Guardians of the Home
by Alyzza Martin She is like the merchants’ ships; she bringeth her food from afar. She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. – Proverbs 31:14-16 Women around the world have historically been called upon to take care of domestic duties such as hauling water, preparing food, and disposing of waste. In areas where women are denied access to political power, “female concerns” like water security Full post …
Vyckie’s Tour de Crap: “The children do not get it at all …”
This letter which I wrote to Jonathan Lindvall via his “Bold Christian Living” email discussion list fits into the time period of the latest installment of my story. This one is total crap ~ I was trying so desperately to figure a way to get Angel to accept and embrace the godly, quiverfull lifestyle which we’d chosen for our family ~ I think that my desperation is quite apparent in this rather pathetic letter: Dear Mr. Lindvall, Thank you so much for your ministry — you have been a great encouragement to my husband & Full post …
We didn’t want to be BALANCED
by Vyckie Me & my boys ~ at a homeschooling conference ~ soaking up new ideas about how to live a godly lifestyle that would be pleasing to the Lord. Many NLQ readers have expressed their observation that in any healthy belief system or chosen lifestyle, there needs to be “balance” ~ a quick glance through the comment section will yield plenty of observations that we’ve gone from “one extreme to the other.” Part of the reason I’m writing this blog is to hopefully help those who have never personally been steeped in the fundamentalist Full post …
Hey, Hazelle … about “that book…”
by Vyckie For her 13th birthday, I got Hazelle a ticket to Seattle ~ she’ll be leaving tomorrow to spend Spring Break with Laura. When Laura lived here with us, she and Hazelle became pretty good friends This morning, about 5 minutes before leaving for school, Hazelle (who is a 6th grader) asked me to write a response to the letter/book report she wrote for me as a class assignment. I scribbled out a letter and she’s off to school ~ here’s what I wrote: Dear Hazelle, Thank you for the letter telling me about Full post …
NLQ Reader’s Choice … Must Read!
- The Amazing Bosch Universal Mixer
- Let The Men Speak: “Quiverfull nearly destroyed our marriage”
- “Husbands love your wives …” ~ the Peanut Butter in the Patriarchy trap!
- A Most Twisted Love
- Lo, children ARE a blessing …
- Tea Party Family Values and the World’s Greatest Freak Show
- It’s About MONEY
- Did I *really* trust Him?
- QUIVERFULL: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement ~ A Review
- To Those Who May Be Shocked, Disappointed, and Hurt by the News of My Apostasy
Steadfast Daughters in a Quivering World
NLQ FAQs
- What is Quiverfull?
- How can I help my “Quiverfull” friend?
- Does Patriarchy Glorify God?
- Quiverfull and the Bible
- The Bible & Birth Control
- The Bible and the Nature of Woman
- The Bible and Male Headship – Part 1
- The Bible and Male Headship – Part 2
- The Bible and Male Headship – Part 3
- Should There Be a “You” in Quivering?
- Why Do You Call Quiverfull Legalistic?
- Is No Longer Quivering an Atheist Website?
- How did you get yourself into this mess?
The Duggar Family
- Are Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar “Quiverfull??
- Quiverfull Daughters: The Making of a Helpmeet ~ TLC’s 19 Kids & Counting: The Duggar Family on How To Prepare For Courtship & Marriage
- Debt-Free Duggars ~ Pt. 1: How Quiverfull Couples Support All Those Kids!
- Debt-Free Duggars ~ Pt. 2: Quiverfull Royalty vs. Quivering Reality
- Jill, Jessa and Jinger Duggar: “Experiencing freedom teenagers rarely taste.”
- God gave them brains too
- Why Michelle Duggar can’t say, “We’re done!”
- 49 Character Qualities of the Duggars: A Report Card
- Duggar Bashing
- A Love That Multiplies ~ The Duggar’s New Book


Michelle says, Never enough babies!
